Comments on: UPDATED: (Grand)parents’ rights? http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/ Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:30:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Michelle http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-4025 Michelle Tue, 07 Oct 2008 22:43:05 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-4025 Fit v unfit If a parent is found to be unfit then yes family should be allowed to file court proceeding to visit the child. However, these laws allow FIT parents to be sued. Do you know how much legal fees are to fight for children? I am a single FIT PARENT. I have a college education and have two children. For years I endured the abuse from my parents, threats, accusations, and public humiliation. While on a visit with my biological parents, my daughter was taken to the emergency room. This along with many other reasons, the domestic abuse center assisted me with a formal written demand to have no contact with my biological parents and included in the demand was for my biological parents to have no contact with my children. This lead to my biological parents, to file for visitation of my children, in the court papers they accused me of being an unfit parent and mentally challenged. The day of the hearing for visitation, I was served with new court papers in front of the hearing officer that accused me of abuse, neglect, inadequate housing, and having a bipolar disorder. The papers also stated that my daughter had mental issues that we left untreated. My home is a three bedroom townhome. Neither my daughter nor I have ever been diagnosed with any mental issues. I have never been convicted or charged with a crime. I have no history of drug or alcohol abuse. I have provided for my children since the day they were born. There is no abuse or neglect and never any reports of neglect or abused filed. This was slander on legal documents presenting in court. Based on allegations and no factual evidence my children were taken away from my care and place with my biological parents. The judge state which I have the court transcripts, "PROVE TO ME THAT YOU ARE A FIT PARENT AND DESERVE YOUR CHILDREN." Then I was told "FIT PARENTS DON'T ALWAYS GET CUSTODY OF THEIR CHILDREN." I am entitled to visitation with my children every 4 weeks. I lost my children because I no longer wanted to be abused by my biological parents. I would have thought that a 38 year old woman with a great job, excellent benefits, home owner, voter, of sound mind would be allowed to say that she no longer wishes to be insulted, humiliated, and degraded by her own parents. The domestic abuse center that I was working with for 2 years prior to the letter being written in the first place thought that I had the right to say NO. According to the LAW on grandparents rights. I do not have the right to refuse to be abused. The law does not require evidence of accusations just that the grandparents have genuine care and concern for the children. Because I no longer could take the abuse inflicted to my family, I have paid the ultimate price, the life of my children. Grandparents Rights Law do not serve the children nor the family. These laws sweep innocent children up and place them in the center of an adult conflict. FIT parents are being forced into legal battles for the right to raise their own children. To answer the question above, I know parents who have spent over ¼ million dollars and have gone up to the state supreme court. I have spent over $50,000 dollars before the domestic abuse center attorney took the case. As it was stated by the U.S. Supreme court as long as there is a fit parent than the court should not be involved in a conflict between grandparents and fit parents. Just think if you allow any FIT parents decision to be question then you have questioned your own parenting skills! Fit v unfit

If a parent is found to be unfit then yes family should be allowed to file court proceeding to visit the child.

However, these laws allow FIT parents to be sued. Do you know how much legal fees are to fight for children?

I am a single FIT PARENT. I have a college education and have two children. For years I endured the abuse from my parents, threats, accusations, and public humiliation. While on a visit with my biological parents, my daughter was taken to the emergency room. This along with many other reasons, the domestic abuse center assisted me with a formal written demand to have no contact with my biological parents and included in the demand was for my biological parents to have no contact with my children.

This lead to my biological parents, to file for visitation of my children, in the court papers they accused me of being an unfit parent and mentally challenged.

The day of the hearing for visitation, I was served with new court papers in front of the hearing officer that accused me of abuse, neglect, inadequate housing, and having a bipolar disorder. The papers also stated that my daughter had mental issues that we left untreated.

My home is a three bedroom townhome. Neither my daughter nor I have ever been diagnosed with any mental issues. I have never been convicted or charged with a crime. I have no history of drug or alcohol abuse. I have provided for my children since the day they were born. There is no abuse or neglect and never any reports of neglect or abused filed. This was slander on legal documents presenting in court.

Based on allegations and no factual evidence my children were taken away from my care and place with my biological parents. The judge state which I have the court transcripts, “PROVE TO ME THAT YOU ARE A FIT PARENT AND DESERVE YOUR CHILDREN.” Then I was told “FIT PARENTS DON’T ALWAYS GET CUSTODY OF THEIR CHILDREN.”

I am entitled to visitation with my children every 4 weeks.

I lost my children because I no longer wanted to be abused by my biological parents. I would have thought that a 38 year old woman with a great job, excellent benefits, home owner, voter, of sound mind would be allowed to say that she no longer wishes to be insulted, humiliated, and degraded by her own parents. The domestic abuse center that I was working with for 2 years prior to the letter being written in the first place thought that I had the right to say NO.

According to the LAW on grandparents rights. I do not have the right to refuse to be abused. The law does not require evidence of accusations just that the grandparents have genuine care and concern for the children.

Because I no longer could take the abuse inflicted to my family, I have paid the ultimate price, the life of my children.

Grandparents Rights Law do not serve the children nor the family. These laws sweep innocent children up and place them in the center of an adult conflict. FIT parents are being forced into legal battles for the right to raise their own children. To answer the question above, I know parents who have spent over ¼ million dollars and have gone up to the state supreme court. I have spent over $50,000 dollars before the domestic abuse center attorney took the case.

As it was stated by the U.S. Supreme court as long as there is a fit parent than the court should not be involved in a conflict between grandparents and fit parents.

Just think if you allow any FIT parents decision to be question then you have questioned your own parenting skills!

]]> By: Sandi http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-3991 Sandi Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:59:53 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-3991 katie allison granju said, April 8th, 2008 at 7:01 am Nicole- I am sure that’s an extremely painful and disappointing situation for your family, but I still have to say that in my opinion, the competent custodial parent gets to decide who has a relationship with his/her child. His or her motivations for making that decision (religious, personal, etc) are no one’s business but that parent’s. I understand that others hold different opinions on this. -Katie **************************************************************************** How much do you think we, as grandparents can take? My daughter had one baby with one guy who is into drugs. They would fight all the time upsetting the baby!! Is this healthy? WEll, she married another guy. Was married for 3 months and tossed him out, then found out she was pregnant. Now keep in mind my daughter is 27 years old!!!!!. As it turned out she never let her hubby be involved in the pregnancy NEVER even told him when the baby was born. My second grand daughter has my last name. Oh, by the way when all this is going on the drug lord was back in the picture. She tossed out her husband of 3 months to go back with the druggie. After things didn't work out for the third time with the druggie guess who comes back home?...My husband and I took care of our grand daughters for months! AND, I have to mention ALL the money we dished out to their household!... THOUSANDS!!!!!!!! All to try to get the druggie help when he was taking the rent money and buying drugs!. My grand daughter would come in my bedroom and say "Nonnie I hungery" when she came out of her mothers room!!!... My daughter is lazy and NOT a good parent! Because of a tiff we had her druggie boyfriend called the police and I WENT TO JAIL!! I worry all the time who is watching MY GRANDBABIES when these two scumbags are "suppose" to be working!. YES TENNESSEE NEEDS STRONGER GRANDPARENT RIGHTS FOR THE SAKE OF OUR GRANDBABIES!! One more tid bit... Shes still living with the druggie and still married to the other guy. I wonder how this teaching will be good for the babies. katie allison granju said,
April 8th, 2008 at 7:01 am
Nicole-

I am sure that’s an extremely painful and disappointing situation for your family, but I still have to say that in my opinion, the competent custodial parent gets to decide who has a relationship with his/her child. His or her motivations for making that decision (religious, personal, etc) are no one’s business but that parent’s.

I understand that others hold different opinions on this.

-Katie
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How much do you think we, as grandparents can take? My daughter had one baby with one guy who is into drugs. They would fight all the time upsetting the baby!! Is this healthy? WEll, she married another guy. Was married for 3 months and tossed him out, then found out she was pregnant. Now keep in mind my daughter is 27 years old!!!!!. As it turned out she never let her hubby be involved in the pregnancy NEVER even told him when the baby was born. My second grand daughter has my last name. Oh, by the way when all this is going on the drug lord was back in the picture. She tossed out her husband of 3 months to go back with the druggie. After things didn’t work out for the third time with the druggie guess who comes back home?…My husband and I took care of our grand daughters for months! AND, I have to mention ALL the money we dished out to their household!… THOUSANDS!!!!!!!! All to try to get the druggie help when he was taking the rent money and buying drugs!. My grand daughter would come in my bedroom and say “Nonnie I hungery” when she came out of her mothers room!!!… My daughter is lazy and NOT a good parent! Because of a tiff we had her druggie boyfriend called the police and I WENT TO JAIL!! I worry all the time who is watching MY GRANDBABIES when these two scumbags are “suppose” to be working!. YES TENNESSEE NEEDS STRONGER GRANDPARENT RIGHTS FOR THE SAKE OF OUR GRANDBABIES!!
One more tid bit… Shes still living with the druggie and still married to the other guy. I wonder how this teaching will be good for the babies.

]]> By: twosidestoeverystory http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-3709 twosidestoeverystory Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:11:54 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-3709 I also believe the "natural parents or adoptive parents" should have the right to determine who they want their children to see. Though I do understand how some parents can be very spiteful and use their children as pawns to use as leverage and punishing tools used against the grandparents or any other relative who may love their children. But what would you say when the parents do not have custody and it is the legal custodians who will not allow visitations to the maternal or paternal grandparents? To make it even more complicated. Let's say there are three siblings. Two are in the custody of the maternal grandparents and one is with another relative who is trying to adopt just the one sibling that is in their care. Let's say these relatives have stopped all visitations between the grandparents and the two other siblings because the maternal grandparents did not agree to the adopttion and have tried to stop it. The maternal grandparents cannot afford an attorney because the maternal grandmother no longer works so she can stay home to care for the two other siblings. This is a real case and it is tragedy for everyone. I also believe the “natural parents or adoptive parents” should have the right to determine who they want their children to see. Though I do understand how some parents can be very spiteful and use their children as pawns to use as leverage and punishing tools used against the grandparents or any other relative who may love their children. But what would you say when the parents do not have custody and it is the legal custodians who will not allow visitations to the maternal or paternal grandparents? To make it even more complicated. Let’s say there are three siblings. Two are in the custody of the maternal grandparents and one is with another relative who is trying to adopt just the one sibling that is in their care. Let’s say these relatives have stopped all visitations between the grandparents and the two other siblings because the maternal grandparents did not agree to the adopttion and have tried to stop it. The maternal grandparents cannot afford an attorney because the maternal grandmother no longer works so she can stay home to care for the two other siblings. This is a real case and it is tragedy for everyone.

]]> By: Laurie http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-3295 Laurie Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:17:02 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-3295 What a lot of this stuff seems to boil down to is adults problems with each other-THE CHILDREN ALWAYS PAY THE PRICE!I'm not talking about abusive,molesting,addicts-parents or grandparents.My husband and I were fine for in-laws when it came to getting money, cars,etc.for our daughter-in-law.But once she divorced our son(justifiably)-she ripped our granddaughter away from us. I thought we could still go on and have some sort of relationship for the good of everyone-we still treated our ex-DIL with love-but she turned out to be VERY vindictive and cruel.She is taking all her anger towards our son out on us- he's a deadbeat dad -that has made us heartsick also.They are both so selfish and they don't see / care how this hurts their daughter-they are cutting her off from a lot of her family on this side that love her. We tried to get visitation from the courts but all she did was make up a bunch of lies.ALL we want to do is see our beloved granddaughter.Sometimes it IS the parents /grandparents being vindictive! P.S.- All this stuff about in/out of wedlock in previous posts is just people using it as an excuse to be hateful! What a lot of this stuff seems to boil down to is adults problems with each other-THE CHILDREN ALWAYS PAY THE PRICE!I’m not talking about abusive,molesting,addicts-parents or grandparents.My husband and I were fine for in-laws when it came to getting money, cars,etc.for our daughter-in-law.But once she divorced our son(justifiably)-she ripped our granddaughter away from us. I thought we could still go on and have some sort of relationship for the good of everyone-we still treated our ex-DIL with love-but she turned out to be VERY vindictive and cruel.She is taking all her anger towards our son out on us- he’s a deadbeat dad -that has made us heartsick also.They are both so selfish and they don’t see / care how this hurts their daughter-they are cutting her off from a lot of her family on this side that love her. We tried to get visitation from the courts but all she did was make up a bunch of lies.ALL we want to do is see our beloved granddaughter.Sometimes it IS the parents /grandparents being vindictive! P.S.- All this stuff about in/out of wedlock in previous posts is just people using it as an excuse to be hateful!

]]> By: Denise http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-2464 Denise Wed, 21 May 2008 16:01:59 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-2464 I believe that every case is different. But when there are loving grandparents denied by a mentally ill parent the right to love their grandchildren it is so sad for those children to be jailed from that love. How sick is it that a mother's jealouy deny's that the child might love a grandparent more than she that she deny's that right. How sad for the children to not expierence that genuine love and how unhealthy is it in the long run- if the mother is like that what else will she deny them for a well balanced mentally healthy future for those children. If the grandparent can get letters of who they are and how loving they are they should be able to petition the court for that right to love! The son has to live with the unhealthy wife and if he makes waves she threatens to move a way with them- it is sick knowing the grandparents and their pure hearts like I do it is crime- a theif of the heart on time that will never be regained. I believe that every case is different. But when there are loving grandparents denied by a mentally ill parent the right to love their grandchildren it is so sad for those children to be jailed from that love. How sick is it that a mother’s jealouy deny’s that the child might love a grandparent more than she that she deny’s that right. How sad for the children to not expierence that genuine love and how unhealthy is it in the long run- if the mother is like that what else will she deny them for a well balanced mentally healthy future for those children. If the grandparent can get letters of who they are and how loving they are they should be able to petition the court for that right to love! The son has to live with the unhealthy wife and if he makes waves she threatens to move a way with them- it is sick knowing the grandparents and their pure hearts like I do it is crime- a theif of the heart on time that will never be regained.

]]> By: Rachelseth http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-2165 Rachelseth Wed, 07 May 2008 07:26:56 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-2165 Hi I hope someone can give you a proper answer to your question. It seems that you have had strong alegations made which were untrue and it has all esculated. I just came back from holiday with the sister and and my partners mother. I have had points raised about how I looked after my baby on holiday in a confined environent. I forgot things the heat got to me here and there and her routine was disturbed and she had just started crawling and i turned my back for one second and she was off the bed. I breastfed her for six months and she is my first child I own a house and am a full time mother and they are trying to say I'm unfit because of a bad experience on holdiay turning my partner against me. She is never on a bed at my house she has a big lounge to crawl in. I just found out i'm pregnant again so it does explain my mistakes I made on holiday and I told my partners family on holiday that i was pregnant and they still treated me badly. I know what they are saying is just talk and they would not actually report me butThey are even threatning to report me. I just don't understand what they think they are doing. Can I stop my partner taking my daughter over to see them? Hi I hope someone can give you a proper answer to your question. It seems that you have had strong alegations made which were untrue and it has all esculated. I just came back from holiday with the sister and and my partners mother. I have had points raised about how I looked after my baby on holiday in a confined environent. I forgot things the heat got to me here and there and her routine was disturbed and she had just started crawling and i turned my back for one second and she was off the bed. I breastfed her for six months and she is my first child I own a house and am a full time mother and they are trying to say I’m unfit because of a bad experience on holdiay turning my partner against me. She is never on a bed at my house she has a big lounge to crawl in. I just found out i’m pregnant again so it does explain my mistakes I made on holiday and I told my partners family on holiday that i was pregnant and they still treated me badly. I know what they are saying is just talk and they would not actually report me butThey are even threatning to report me. I just don’t understand what they think they are doing. Can I stop my partner taking my daughter over to see them?

]]> By: sntbhcg http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1997 sntbhcg Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:08:28 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1997 I am a single mother of two great kids and I am fighting this battle now. My so called mother potitioned the court for grandparents rights. She won that case and now she has potitioned the court for custody. The Judge due to his byass against single mothers gave temp custody to her. He did not listen to the facts, such as she has a record of child abuse, and drug addiction. I have been raising my kids alone for along time. I don't abuse or neglect them. I don't do drugs and I work. I don't use the system to support my kids but I have been made out to be a bad mother because I am single and don't own a home. This Judge has taken my daughter and given the grandmother all rights. I have seen my daughter two times in three months and there is nothing I can do about it. My daugter wants to live there because the grandparents don't say no and buy her everything. The next court date keeps getting moved and I'm running out of money for the attorney bills. The court system is only for the people with money and because I work I can't get legal aid. I dont know where to turn for help financially and emotionally. I live in Ohio where gradually parents are loosing all there rights and noone will help. I am a single mother of two great kids and I am fighting this battle now. My so called mother potitioned the court for grandparents rights. She won that case and now she has potitioned the court for custody. The Judge due to his byass against single mothers gave temp custody to her. He did not listen to the facts, such as she has a record of child abuse, and drug addiction. I have been raising my kids alone for along time. I don’t abuse or neglect them. I don’t do drugs and I work. I don’t use the system to support my kids but I have been made out to be a bad mother because I am single and don’t own a home. This Judge has taken my daughter and given the grandmother all rights. I have seen my daughter two times in three months and there is nothing I can do about it. My daugter wants to live there because the grandparents don’t say no and buy her everything. The next court date keeps getting moved and I’m running out of money for the attorney bills. The court system is only for the people with money and because I work I can’t get legal aid. I dont know where to turn for help financially and emotionally. I live in Ohio where gradually parents are loosing all there rights and noone will help.

]]> By: anonymous http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1743 anonymous Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:26:18 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1743 well oatney 0000 must right or where are you at on this ? and where is strat talk on this ? have you all ben told to dummy up or what? well oatney 0000 must right or where are you at on this ? and where is strat talk on this ? have you all ben told to dummy up or what?

]]> By: anonymous http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1704 anonymous Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:34:00 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1704 So are alot of people So are alot of people

]]> By: A INTERESTED PARTY http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1691 A INTERESTED PARTY Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:32:58 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1691 I'M LAUGHING OUT LOUD. I’M LAUGHING OUT LOUD.

]]> By: anonymous http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1684 anonymous Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:56:51 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1684 do you ( ALL ) have toes that grow together ? do you ( ALL ) have toes that grow together ?

]]> By: ----- http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1655 ----- Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:06:15 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1655 anonymous said... This is the mother i let them see her once a week every tuesday she missed last tuesday because i work and i go to school, i am doing the best i can, they see her more than my own father does, not because i don't want him a part of her life but because i have a lot of irons in the fire, this week they did not see her because i was very hurt by this blog and i thought they understood that i am trying to do so much while being the best mother i possibly can, also i felt very violated by the frequent unannounced random stops at my house dare i say even harrassed, if i gave each set of grandparents more than one day a week between school and work i would have no alone time with my child and i feel like our bonding time is very important, and Gail get you facts straight he sees her more than alot of people and she is not losing out anywhere she has more people that love than any baby i have ever seen and i mean truely love her there is no pretending here, i think you all are being very unfair to me, i m tired, i'm so very tired, can't you just give me a break, are you so unreasonable that we can't miss one week without you flipping out and creating crap like this, and i hope all this proved to you that there aren't thousands of people out there to support you, also i am very tired of people threatening to take me to court, also i told your family about her when i was three weeks pregnant and as far as you expecting me to trust you how was this blog suppossed to develop any trust, and we have discussed and you were told from the begining that visitation would always be supervised, you have been explained the reasons why, also Nana tommie as she as so decided to name herself against my wishes, has informed several people that she isn't sure of the childs paternity, and let me point out as other people have as well, i don't have to let you see her at all and you should be happy with the what visitation you do get it is more than alot of grandparents get, so please if you want to do whats best for the baby quit threatening and harrassing her mother, I realize all this was to make people feel sorry for you and can't afford the time it takes to deal with some stupid blog anonymous said…
This is the mother i let them see her once a week every tuesday she missed last tuesday because i work and i go to school, i am doing the best i can, they see her more than my own father does, not because i don’t want him a part of her life but because i have a lot of irons in the fire, this week they did not see her because i was very hurt by this blog and i thought they understood that i am trying to do so much while being the best mother i possibly can, also i felt very violated by the frequent unannounced random stops at my house dare i say even harrassed, if i gave each set of grandparents more than one day a week between school and work i would have no alone time with my child and i feel like our bonding time is very important, and Gail get you facts straight he sees her more than alot of people and she is not losing out anywhere she has more people that love than any baby i have ever seen and i mean truely love her there is no pretending here, i think you all are being very unfair to me, i m tired, i’m so very tired, can’t you just give me a break, are you so unreasonable that we can’t miss one week without you flipping out and creating crap like this, and i hope all this proved to you that there aren’t thousands of people out there to support you, also i am very tired of people threatening to take me to court, also i told your family about her when i was three weeks pregnant and as far as you expecting me to trust you how was this blog suppossed to develop any trust, and we have discussed and you were told from the begining that visitation would always be supervised, you have been explained the reasons why, also Nana tommie as she as so decided to name herself against my wishes, has informed several people that she isn’t sure of the childs paternity, and let me point out as other people have as well, i don’t have to let you see her at all and you should be happy with the what visitation you do get it is more than alot of grandparents get, so please if you want to do whats best for the baby quit threatening and harrassing her mother, I realize all this was to make people feel sorry for you and can’t afford the time it takes to deal with some stupid blog

]]> By: A dad http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1619 A dad Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:21:17 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1619 This is to all grandparents: You should respect the wishes of the parents, because they are now the parents "not you" When you are told not to give your grandchild things the parents don't want them to have, you shouldn't! If you have the additude you are the grandparent and you will do what you want, then I think you don't have the right to see them at all! Or at least be able to keep them without the parents supervising. This is to all grandparents: You should respect the wishes of the parents, because they are now the parents “not you” When you are told not to give your grandchild things the parents don’t want them to have, you shouldn’t! If you have the additude you are the grandparent and you will do what you want, then I think you don’t have the right to see them at all! Or at least be able to keep them without the parents supervising.

]]> By: anonymous http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1610 anonymous Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:25:52 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1610 well oatney is oooo right well oatney is oooo right

]]> By: 0000 says http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1592 0000 says Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:16:24 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1592 What happened to the other conservative that agreed with Oatney? It would seem that their views on this subject are no longer to be found. Sounds like someone was told to dummy up. What happened to the other conservative that agreed with Oatney? It would seem that their views on this subject are no longer to be found. Sounds like someone was told to dummy up.

]]> By: Liz http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1571 Liz Sat, 12 Apr 2008 23:09:28 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1571 thank you. This is why I said every case is different. for every person who doesn't want the kid around the grandparents, then there are others for whom it is the exact opposite. One can only pray that those in positions to make these legal decisions are of sound mind and don't have their heads up their butts. thank you. This is why I said every case is different. for every person who doesn’t want the kid around the grandparents, then there are others for whom it is the exact opposite. One can only pray that those in positions to make these legal decisions are of sound mind and don’t have their heads up their butts.

]]> By: Anonymous http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1538 Anonymous Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:55:40 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1538 Well Well

]]> By: Anonymous http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1493 Anonymous Wed, 09 Apr 2008 08:03:56 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1493 Hi. I just happened to look at your site, and I just happen to have a friend for whom this very law is a life saver. Her sister was in a terribly abusive marriage, left the husband (at last), but died of breast cancer before she could finalize a divorce, leaving behind a 4 year old son. The father is a deadbeat with violent tendencies and a possible drug problem and has sworn that their child will never see his mother's family again. The only way this family can keep an eye on the child is through grandparent visitation, so they sued for, and thankfully won, that right. The grandparents are the main hope this child has of any help if abuse or neglect occurs, as we are all afraid it will. PS My friend and I are very liberal, if that matters. Hi. I just happened to look at your site, and I just happen to have a friend for whom this very law is a life saver. Her sister was in a terribly abusive marriage, left the husband (at last), but died of breast cancer before she could finalize a divorce, leaving behind a 4 year old son. The father is a deadbeat with violent tendencies and a possible drug problem and has sworn that their child will never see his mother’s family again. The only way this family can keep an eye on the child is through grandparent visitation, so they sued for, and thankfully won, that right. The grandparents are the main hope this child has of any help if abuse or neglect occurs, as we are all afraid it will.

PS My friend and I are very liberal, if that matters.

]]> By: Liz http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1491 Liz Wed, 09 Apr 2008 05:06:22 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1491 I would imagine it depends on the situation. What is sad is that a lot of very different situations could get poured into the same mold. I am sure there are cases where parents are doing their best to keep kids from dangerous grandparents. I am sure there are also cases where the adult kids are just being petty. Anyone on either side who denies the existence of either a)situations where grandkids need to be protected from grandparents or b)parents using their kids against their own parents is sticking their heads in the sand. it would be nice if these things could be decided on a case by case basis and if the outcome were truly dependent on right and wrong rather than on which side can afford the better lawyer. I would imagine it depends on the situation. What is sad is that a lot of very different situations could get poured into the same mold. I am sure there are cases where parents are doing their best to keep kids from dangerous grandparents. I am sure there are also cases where the adult kids are just being petty. Anyone on either side who denies the existence of either a)situations where grandkids need to be protected from grandparents or b)parents using their kids against their own parents is sticking their heads in the sand. it would be nice if these things could be decided on a case by case basis and if the outcome were truly dependent on right and wrong rather than on which side can afford the better lawyer.

]]> By: Nicole Oatney http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1489 Nicole Oatney Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:35:45 +0000 http://knoxvilletalks.com/2008/04/07/grandparents-rights/#comment-1489 Someone should ask the children (those who are now grown) what it's like to be denied a relationship with their grandparents while those grandparents are still living, only to find out as an adult that their grandparents died before they ever got a chance to meet them. Someone should ask the children (those who are now grown) what it’s like to be denied a relationship with their grandparents while those grandparents are still living, only to find out as an adult that their grandparents died before they ever got a chance to meet them.

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