Just a dead body with a knife in its back.

Nobody has been arrested because they haven’t gotten the DNA or other evidence required to determine which of the men to charge. Doh.

I agree that there should be a lot of oversight and I want the ACLU to breathe over the shoulders of all of them.

But some of you, aretheseamericans in particular, are being utterly irrational.

“There is a whole spectrum of criminal activity that has been occurring within the FLDS, and it’s been going on for years, and kudos to the state of Texas for finally putting an end to it.”

Only one person so far, a person who can prove he hasn’t been to Texas for years, has been accused of anything. And he hasn’t been arrested. Huh? How come nobody’s been arrested if kids are being raped?

There are no allegations of child sexual abuse - that’s why. All you morons who are so concerned with 13 year old brides are idiots. Nobody has alleged such a thing. The police, nor the courts, have alleged that anyone at the El Dorado church was doing anything illegal.

So, all you people who think there have been allegations need to take a step back and ask yourselves this: “What allegatiions?” There are no allegations, because the government hasn’t alleged a thing.

The way the government alleges criminal activity is by indicting its citizens - either through a grand jury bill of particulars, or by a prosecutor charging an individual.

None of that has occured here. Doesn’t that give any one of you morons cause for pause?

All of these families have been torn apart on the false allegations of a single Texas law enforcement official who convinced a homeless black woman in Colorado to make a phone call.

It’s a travesty of the Constitution is what it is, and it brings shame on the judicial system of this country that lawyers and judges are complicit in this. The Texas judicial system looks like it’s peopled by a bunch of baffoons.

If kids are being raped, then I ask you, all of you … why has your government not arrested anyone? Doesn’t that strike you as just a bit odd?

If kids are being raped … how come the prosecutor in El Dorado hasn’t empaneled a grand jury?

If kids are being raped … how come these mothers aren’t in jail? How come their fathers aren’t in jail if they’re participating in the rape of their own children?

The answer is: kids aren’t being raped. The government isn’t even alleging that, and won’t, because once they indict someone, they have to show up in court and prove a case.

And they can’t. So, they’re just gonna destroy this little church using the Division of Child Welfare … the part of the government allowed to operate outside the judicial system, where people have rights.

It’s Waco all over again just without the flames.

“It does not give any individual or group the right to rape a child, regardless of beliefs.”

No kidding. I fully support the right of individuals and groups to isolate themselves because of their religious beliefs. That’s not what has been occurring in the FLDS. Check out this trailer for a documentary on the FLDS called “Banking on Heaven”:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI6pBftroEc

There is a whole spectrum of criminal activity that has been occurring within the FLDS, and it’s been going on for years, and kudos to the state of Texas for finally putting an end to it.

May I suggest madam, that you are the one who is whacked.

Some of us don’t want our daughters whored out by the society you protect with your commentary. We prefer not to have them exposed to your Abercrombie & Fitch skankvertising, American Apparel stwhores, Girls Gone Wild peepshows on CBS and Bill Clinton’s idea of a cigar humidor.”

Who said I endorsed any of these things? And what does ANY of this have to do with the FLDS ? You really think being exposed to Abercrombie & Fitch ads are worse than child rape? Your comments seem like you’re more interested in running down a laundry list of crank nutjob complaints about the increasing “porn-ification” of society than discussing the matter at hand. The fact that you had to drag the Clenis into the argument is the tell that you must spend all day long on FreeRepublic me-tooing to every wingnut talking point pushed down your throat. The FLDS are damn close to being American Taliban, so check your facts and stay on subject, please. You sound like a damn fool running your mouth about subjects you obviously know nothing about. I think you must see the FLDS as some benevolent Christian retreat devoted to the good life rather than the brutal, repressive religious cult that it is. Are you aware that welfare fraud runs rampant in the FLDS? Where’s the outrage now?

Here’s a clue — just because someone calls themselves a Christian doesn’t mean it’s so, and when their brutal repressive cult finally gets raided it’s not the cue for you to post “AMERICAN SOCIETY HATES CHRISTIANS” screed #32.

Also, I’m not a “madam”. I’m a 38-year-old husband and father of two young boys. I’m not in advertising and I’m not in porn so I have no idea why you say I created this society. I’m also not quite sure why you seem to think that Abercrombie & Fitch ads are somehow worse than being raped & impregnated at age 12/13 by your 50-year-old father.

The allegations, child abuse, and sex between older males and younger females, are very similar.

The allegations seem to be designed to minimize support for them in order to allow the State to do what they will.

Just because there have been some pretty sorid allegations does not mean they are true. The fact that this was instigated by an anonymous phone call is frightening.

I work in law enforcement and, in our agency at least, an anonymous phone call is almost worthless unless there is other evidence. But I guess that is not true everywhere.

IF the facts prove that the sect has indeed violated the law, then let them have their day in court. Right now I’d advise against the hate-mongering.

they fuckin’ chose that life

you make me sick katie granju

I don’t know that I’d use that analogy in defense of the FLDS folks. THe GGW producer has already been to jail once, and is currently being prosecuted in at least two jurisdictions.

“Allow me to make one prediction…this whole thing will blow up in Texas’ face. The AG’s in Utah and Arizona have been burned many a time before…Texas is going to get scorched”

Don’t bet on it. CPS has already said several FLDS girls under the age of 16 are pregnant. Under Texas law, a 15 year old who is pregnant has, by definition, been raped. If the CPS claim is true, whether a crime has occurred is not at issue.

“The refusal to testify correctly will be cited as evidence that some of these women are “under the spell” and “brainwashed” and thus, cannot possibly be good parents”

More likely it will be cited as evidence of a criminal conspiracy.

“The U.S. Constitution gives individuals and groups the right to isolate themselves and their families from unwanted influences in the rest of society”

It does not give any individual or group the right to rape a child, regardless of beliefs.

Children often live within a limited paradigm created by their parents and their families. They aren’t expected to have the exact same rights as adults, because society recognizes the right of parents to control the environment of their children. When parents/groups decide that the societal norms are unacceptable to them and choose to isolate themselves and their families from these “norms,” does society have the right to force these parents/groups to expose their children to the very influences that they have decided to reject? I don’t think so.

Also, those who claim that young FLDS women are being “forced” to live the teachings of the FLDS church regarding marriage, what proof do you have that this is true? The interviews of the Texas FLDS women that I have seen and read simply don’t support this conclusion. Most of them believe what their leaders and parents are teaching them and follow these teachings willingly. I realize that many Americans hate the doctrines that the FLDS people choose to live by, but that doesn’t give them the right to force the FLDS to live in accordance with their obviously “superior” principles. The U.S. Constitution gives individuals and groups the right to isolate themselves and their families from unwanted influences in the rest of society, if they choose to do so. When it comes to personal beliefs, I don’t think that many of us would want a “majority rules” approach to religion and family that is enforced by Federal and State governments.

Am I the only one who is quizzical as to the call to police from “Sarah”, who cannot be found or even identified?

Having this occur near the 15th anniversary of the government-induced conflagration at Waco gives me a feeling of deja vu.

These kids have never watched MTV, don’t know who Madonna or Eminem is, and have never been exposed to alcohol, tobacco, or drugs, so the government decides that they need to be rescued.

There is a world difference. Here it is: You don’t seem to mind a girl who is 17 years 365 days old flashing her tits to any man who will pay to watch, while you think it is somehow wrong for people to want to protect a girl who is 17 years 364 days old from the society you and your ilk have created.

May I suggest madam, that you are the one who is whacked.

Some of us don’t want our daughters whored out by the society you protect with your commentary. We prefer not to have them exposed to your Abercrombie & Fitch skankvertising, American Apparel stwhores, Girls Gone Wild peepshows on CBS and Bill Clinton’s idea of a cigar humidor.

That you feel the need to crush religions (or, as you call them, cults) who try to protect their children from the society you walk freely in without a care in the world just demonstrates how easy it is for evil to triumph when good men merely do nothing.

I was raised by good and decent and honest parents to be a good and decent and honest person. I endured the public school systems (dad was military, so we moved around a lot) and I was exposed to everything most other people read/saw/watched/whatever. That said, I was able to make educated choices in my life.

These kids are isolated. The don’t know a thing about the outside world except what they are told by those in authority. Upon what can we base their abilities to make good choices in their lives? A person may be allowed to say “no,” but do any of them know of the vast opportunities that await them in this world?

In my opinion, those children have been denied one of their civil rights, and that is a well-rounded education; one that would provide them the essential knowledge that would allow them the ability to make educated choices in their lives.

That’s my problem with this and similar groups.

Hmm, we seem to be discussing a polygamist sect here, do we not? If so, I’ll take your bullet point as an endorsement of reading Under the Banner of Heaven as a tool to greater understanding of this issue. I’d take issue with your unqualified statement “generally regarded as” but that’s beyond the scope of this post.

“Yes, since FLDS kids don’t have the choice to be skanks and sluts”

Because everyone knows that dating and flirting is EXACTLY THE SAME THING as being “skanks” and “sluts”. I assume you are an advocate of arranged marriages then?

“This website seems to be about one thing: access to a large number of young girls for purposes of sexual variety.”

It seems to me there’s a world of difference between consenting adults agreeing to be nude on video and websites and 14-year-old girls being forced into wife-swapping with a bunch of old guys. But that’s just me. Oh, please don’t point out how the GGW guy got sued cause some underage girls appeared in one of his videos. It doesn’t exactly strengthen your point.

Leave it to the wingnuts to look at a brutal, repressive cult engaging in de facto sex slavery and institutionalized pedophilia, led by a convicted rapist and svengali-like megalomaniac and somehow link it to all the black girls in the inner cities having babies and parental consent laws.

As for everyone predicting that this will blow up in the TX authorities faces (interesting that this happened in a state run by Republicans, although I’m sure this whole raid was the work of a few unelected “fascist liberals”), the only thing that’s going to blow up in anyone’s faces are those that tacitly enabled this horror show to go on for years under the guise of “religious freedom”.