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The race for First Lady
Posted By katie allison granju
This poll yesterday, showing that Americans aren’t warming to Michelle Obama, and that they don’t really know Cindy McCain at all, got me to thinking about the race for First Lady, and how it may shape up.
I suspect that the “Hillary Clinton factor” may be at play as part of the reason folks aren’t digging Michelle Obama. This is a working woman - an opinionated, professional, highly accomplished, run-the-show working woman. She’s no socialite, behind-the-scenes, “quit-my-job-to-support-my-husband’s-career” politician’s wife. And despite the fact that most women in America are working women, with real jobs, we still seem to have some cultural discomfort with a woman like Michelle Obama as First Lady. We seem to want a woman with a 50s kind of lifestyle to fit this very 1950s title (”First Lady”).
And I think the reason many folks still don’t feel like they know much about Cindy McCain is because the McCain campaign wants it that way. Why? Because like most of us, she’s not perfect. Unlike most of us, however, she presents this facade of blonde, icily coiffed, Nancy Reaganesque husbandly adoration in public that is going to be jarringly at odds with some of the stuff from her life history that is going to emerge as the campaign season cranks up.
For starters, while the McCain campaign frequently mentions her service as the head of a charity providing medications to the needy, they obviously never mention the fact that she was busted for stealing narcotics for her own use from that same organization. But that stuff is going to emerge during the campaign. It will be part of the process of Americans getting to know Mrs. McCain. The issue of how McCain left his disabled first wife for Cindy McCain will also become better known.
We all have skeletons in our closets. I’ll bet a few will emerge from Mrs. Obama’s as well. But I do wonder how the McCain campaign will handle getting the public better acquainted with Cindy McCain without opening these issues back up. If I were she, I’d be aggressively forthcoming about my own past drug issues, and make fighting prescription drug abuse a cornerstone of my proposed work as First Lady (it’s certainly a major problem for many Americans), a la the very courageous Betty Ford.
But it doesn’t look like that is how the campaign - or she - plans to handle it. That’s a mistake.
Jul 3rd, 2008
Michelle Obama sat in the front row of that racist church with her two kids for years.
Maybe someone can ask her why she would expose her children to the anti-American insanity that goes on there every Sunday?
What kind of mother would allow her children to hear the emotionally disturbed Rev. Wright every Sunday ?
Maybe its the kind of mother who agrees with most of the sickness spewed from that pulpit.
Michelle Obama or Cindy McCain?………I know which one I would want raising my kids.
……In addition.
Cindy McCain appeared on the Tonight Show a few weeks ago and discussed her past drug addiction with Jay Leno.
Surely, a dolt such as Ms. Granju must watch shows such as that.
Maybe she was in the toilet typing while Ms. McCain was being interviewed.
When I first saw Michelle, I had an immediate negative first impression. She had a scowl on her face and then I heard her lecture the audience as to how things were going to be when Barack was president. That did it for me. I could see her lecturing me through my TV screen and vowed that it shall not be. Nothing she has said or done since has made a difference with me and it won’t. I’m dug in on her.
You’re a piece of work Ms. Granju.
For anyone who didn’t pick up on the actual intent of this article, it is to introduce the slurs she’d injected into the fourth paragraph - i.e. social historical context blah blah blah drug addicted adulteress meets the cur.
When you take another shot at this pitch, it would be a good idea to mention that ’some people’ base their opinion of Michelle Obama on the statements she’s made. Ignoring these, when they are the most salient aspect of her public persona, makes you look like an amatuer - and try for more sincerity.
If I may just add my 2 cents on why people aren’t warming to Michelle Obama — I think you are a little off in your analysis. I don’t think people are specifically against strong, working women or heavily in favor of quit-my-job-to-support-my-husband style first ladies. I think the key issue is that the spouse of the candidate needs to show an understanding that they are the SPOUSE, NOT the candidate. And whenever a spouse acts as if they are going to be part of a package deal (like Hillary Clinton), the public reacts negatively to it. If Michelle Obama had presented herself to this point simply as the accomplished, intelligent, and hard-working woman that she is, and otherwise stayed out of the political fray other than to show her general support for her husband’s campaign, then people would be much warmer to her. But she has not done that. She has made comments that belittle her husband (remember the bad breath/snoring comment?), she has made comments that hint at her “wearing the pants” in the family that Obama even plays to, saying things like “She basically tells me what to do, and I do it”, there was an article that talked about how in the campaign itself, if she brings up an issue, they jump. And her campaign speeches go WAY beyond the basics of what he says on the trail — in fact a lot of what she says is more strident and even counter in tone to what he puts out. This insertion of herself into her husband’s business is what makes people uneasy - not the fact that she is an accomplished working woman. Throw in her many, many, comments on the campaign trail that are negative towards America (It’s a downright mean place, first time she’s ever been proud of it, etc) and she’s going to have some high negatives. I will give you an analogy from my own experience. Both my husband and I served in the military as officers. I have been out now for a number of years raising the kids while my husband continues on Active Duty. He is now in positions high enough up where I take on the role as Commanding Officer’s wife. It feels odd for me, as someone who was relatively accomplished myself and if I had stayed in, would only have been slightly below him in rank, to stand there as his wife or to accept the responsibilities that that role brings in the military w/r/t support for families, etc.. I am just as strong a woman now as I was when I was in the service. We do talk at home about challenges he has at work, and he may occasionally take my advice on something or other. But I would NEVER DREAM of inserting myself into his world, trying to shape his leadership, etc. etc. To do so would be to imply that I was somehow the one who had earned the leadership position. I haven’t! And Michelle Obama has not earned the position that Barack is in. She has earned her own way, in her own career, and Barack shouldn’t try to nose in on her accomplishments either…but when people look at a candidate who is going to be the leader of the Free World, they want as little up to chance as possible, and they don’t want a package deal. Michelle Obama inserts herself as part of a package, and I, for one, am very turned off by it. To me, it takes a stronger and more secure women to be satisfied with her OWN accomplishments and to be willing to let her husband run his own campaign, be his own man, and not presume to be a partner in policy-making as she is a partner in marriage than it does to run around talking about policy and philosophy and edging in on his entire campaign message. But that’s just my 2 cents.
How about this: which one would you want as your neighbor:
1> Michelle would lean out her leased Lexus and lecture you on improper recycling.
2> Cindy would bring over brownies and drink vodka/tonics all afternoon.
I choose Cindy.
-OT
PS - My wife would kick MOB’s patootie in the cubicle wars, black female preferential treatment or no. I married Xena the Corporate Warrior.
An accomplished, hard working, highly intelligent spouse can stay completely out of the spotlight. I doubt one in 100 Democrats knows that Mrs. Howard Dean is an accomplished Doctor herself. She just didn’t make herself a factor in the campaign.
Just a couple of small notes. If you’re going to go after Mrs. McCain for her addiction, you might - in the interest of fairness - note her adopting a handicapped orphan from India. You should also note that John McCain’s first wife completely supports his campaign, and says he did not desert her.
I guess I came to this a little late, but aside from nearly tripling her salary (evidently by getting her husband elected Senator), what are those high accomplishments of Michelle Obama’s? Just curious. I don’t remember reading about anything she’s particularly done on her own to merit a lot of praise.
duplicated, somehow
Geez — guess we know who you like, huh? You explain why our dislike of Michelle Obama displays our sexism, and then explain (thanks for that — never would have figured it out, you know, on my own) that the reason we don’t know Cindy McCain is because of her hidden flaws.
Get real, would you! In the middle of the same presidential campaign in which Michelle Obama is doing everything she can to make herself First Lady, Cindy McCain eschewed campaigning for a week in Vietnam helping disabled children, the same kind of work with earned her a daughter a decade-and-a-half ago. Who cares whether or not she inherited her money and influence — even she didn’t have any control over that. But, she’s using it to help others! What has Michelle Obama done similarly, again, that she hasn’t been paid handsomely for it?
And guess which one thinks the U.S. is a ‘mean’ place.
Quite frankly, this is just sleaze-mongering. Ms. Granju knows full well why the American people aren’t warming to Michelle Obama…It’s only been covered on nearly every blog and newspaper across the country, and there’s no way Ms. Granju doesn’t know it. As the commenter above noted, this is a transparent attempt to bring down Mrs. McCain. Pathetic.
As far as being accomplished, the only thing I’m aware of that Mrs. Obama has done is to get a $100K raise at her job immediately following her husband earmarking a couple of million dollars for her employer. Is that the kind of accomplishment you’re talking about?
Maybe it was her undergraduate thesis that you’re talking about. You know the one wherein she complains that her fellow African-Americans on campus aren’t nearly militant enough for her taste and comes to the conclusion that hanging around so many white people has made them forget their “blackness.” The one where she also performs an aggravated assault on the English language with grammar and sentence construction so poor that a high school senior would have been ashamed to turn it in as a weekly writing assignment let alone a college thesis.
Maybe you’re talking about her admittedly being a product of affirmative action. Her test scores weren’t good enough to get into the college of her choice, so she gladly sailed over the heads of more qualified applicants due solely to the color of her skin. Then she turns around and complains about how hard she’s had to work to get to where she is without even acknowledging that the person whose rightful place she took at school has had to work even harder because of the favoritism she was shown.
Should I go on? Because I could….The long and short of it is that this is a woman who sees herself as a perpetual victim despite having worked the system all her life to achieve a station in life which she has neither earned nor appreciates.
There are words for women like this…and none of them are suitable for polite company. And you want to know why people aren’t “warming up” to her? Really?
Give it a rest folks, this is KAG’s MO. She knows fully well that she’s misrepresenting the facts and sentiments she’s presenting.
Bothering to rebut her is like scolding a dog for licking its balls.
We seem to want a woman with a 50s kind of lifestyle to fit this very 1950s title (”First Lady”).
I’m not sure I agree with this. Actually, I consider a true feminist to be a woman who conducts her own professional life (whatever that may be, could be a CEO or a housewife) outside her husband’s separate and professional life, and as a professional, respects her spouse’s professional life as separate and equal too.
Michele and Hillary have a lot in common and that is mothering their men to death because they don’t have the trust and confidence their man can tie a shoelace without their instruction. Paternal, bossy, nervous, demanding and temperamental.
Incidentially, Bill Clinton could be described as a Hill or Michelle in my book too.
If my husband ran for the Little League President I would not presume to be a de fact Veep to his pres. If I ran for School Board my husband would not assume he could be a de facto memeber and answer for me.
Bill and Hill didn’t have that respect quid pro quo thing going when she took a powder and let him do his thing.
America knows they elect a P and VP, and they don’t like the thought of a third party spouse, man or woman, assuming what they were NOY elected for.
Well,why should anybody respond favorably to a woman who says that only now is she ‘proud’ of her country and that America is ‘downright mean’?…the woman has a large chip on her shoulder and what would appear to be an inferiority complex given her admission to Princeton by affirmative action…she even admitted that she felt out of place there and unaccepted the entire time she was there….well,duh!…she knew she wasn’t good enough to get in on her own merits and the the only reason she was there is because she was black and female…she has this no show job as a ‘diversity outreach coordinator’ at a Chicago hospital that brings her $400k /yr and she knows good and well she doesn’t earn it…so she tries to compensate for her own self perceived inferiority by trying to come across as some kind of co-candidate and Katie just can’t understand why people don’t warm to her…sorry,Katie…but if you can’t figure this one out,then you have no business commenting on politics at all…next time try doing a puff piece on Pat Head Summit….that’s more your speed.
I suppose there are many reasons why people vote for one presidential candidate or another, but I would hope that the First Lady would not be high on that list.
We are “not warming” to Michelle Obama because she’s a strong working woman? Yep, that’s right.
Most of us have never seen a working woman, except for secretaries, nurses and them cute li’l ol’ cocktail waitresses down at the country club.
When Bubba Junior got in some trouble at school, I had to go to one of them “conferences” with his teacher…pure man-hater…glasses, non-Farrah Fawcett haircut, education, the works. She’s yapping on about something to do with findin’ Bu-Ju’s camera in the girl’s locker room (the li’l scamp!)and I finally have to put up a hand to shut her up.
“Listen, sweetcakes,” I tell her, trying to break the ice, “I’m sure they taught you lots of high falutin stuff at Sarah Lawrence, Steve Lawrence, Lawrence Welk, or what ever the hell school you went to back in Boston, but out here, men do the thinking and child raisin’. You gals should stick to cooking and laundry like my current wife, Betsy Sue”.
She gets this ticked off look on her puss like I stepped on her toes. (as if she’d even feel it in those dyke shoes she had on)
I told her we should finish this conversation down at the Haymaker Bar And Grill, God knows this broad needed some loosening up!
She sputters and says “No.” She even laughed! So I figured I needed to do my patented Bubba Lloyd Hereford move. I give her a playful slap, not hard, just enough to knock those wire rim glasses off her face. Usually I give them a big juicy kiss while they’re too stunned to react. They like it. They get a second slap if they don’t. Backhand, with the old class ring. This little minx reaches into her NPR totebag and sprays a full can of pepper spray into my peepers. It was enough to set off the smoke alarm! Before it was over, they had to call out the Haz-Mat squad and I get hauled out in handcuffs! I tell ya, that never would have happened back when Bufford Kowalski was chief of Police. That old Pollack used to take good care of this town. So what if he got caught burning a cross in that collored family’s yard…which one of us hasn’t done that?
Anyway…back to Michelle Obama…I look at her and I see that teacher. I bet she can’t even make a decent pot pie. Just like my fourth wife, she couldn’t cook her way out of a paper bag! That was the last time I bought one of those mail order brides.
I think, as a woman, I resent the idea that I don’t like a particular first lady because she is successful. Michelle Obama’s success is not what bothers me. Just as Hillary Clinton’s success never bothered me either. What bothered me about Hillary Clinton was the way she looked down her noses at those of us who chose NOT to be in the work force but stay home with our kids. I never had any doubts what Michelle Obama believed in, but I don’t dislike a women because she believes different then me. My real problem came when I heard her whining and complaining about how hard it is to do anything on $400K a year. My husband and I make ALOT less than that, and we manage. I drive 75 miles round trip to work with the current gas prices, my kids go to camp every summer, they attend a private school, and they have music lessons and sports activities. We also sponsor 2 children through Compassion International. We don’t go on fancy vacations, we live in a nice, but modest house, and we don’t spend money on a lot of unnecessary things. I was stunned, really, because I could easily live off the money they make and give more than half of it away to charity every year. So I figured either 1) she’s blowing smoke out her but trying make people think she has the slightest idea what it is to be working class or 2) her and her husband manage their money poorly.
The truth is, Michelle Obama does not seem like a happy woman. Her husband may think I’m a bitter angry American, but his wife is the very persona of “bitter and angry” and the truth is, I can’t figure out why…..
From the British tabloid you referenced:
“Friends confirm she [Carol McCain] has remained friends with McCain and backed him in all his campaigns.
“Carol remained resolutely loyal as McCain’s political star rose. She says she agreed to talk to The Mail on Sunday only because she wanted to publicise her support for the man who abandoned her.”
[So The Mail demeans Carol McCain her by telling readers they know what she REALLY thinks, and turns what she apparently thought was to be supportive interview for John McCain into an ad hominem on the candidate. (John and Carol were divorced 28 years ago. Were you even alive then?) ]
(Again, repeated in article)
“She says she agreed to talk to The Mail on Sunday only because she wanted to publicise her support for the man who abandoned her.”
Right. Is that what she said? “I’d love to talk with you because I want people to know that I support John, who abandoned me.” (And my children from my first marriage who he adopted becasue their dad gave up his parental rights [that must be a story there].) ??? I think not.
Help us out here, Ms. Granju. Is that how YOU do journalism? You can’t pick up the loaded language in a tabloid hit piece?
“worn and wrinkled…” (at 70 most of us look worn … wait till you get there…) “faded seaside resort…” Well, I am sure parts of Va Beach are faded … It *is* sunny there. Carol McCain is too damaged to now where she wants to live.)
And this one I love — “the old Mercedes that she uses…” Check out the car in the picture. Sure doesn’t look like an 80s model to me … or a 90s even … I’ll take it.
As the commenters have noted, it is *Michelle’s behavior and words* many people have problems with. That’s not June Cleaver’s or Cindy or Carol McCain’s fault.
You might want to do some research on how marriages survive long separations or traumas like child death or — 5 years in a prison camp! You might do the math and notice they were married no less than 2 years when McCain went to Vietnam.
While there are tragedies and poor choices in everyone’s life, your take on why Michelle Obama doesn’t do it for many of us as First Lady by attacking the McCains (all of them) is really shoddy.
Who’s your editor?
Nice try, Katie, but your hogwash won’t wash. You listened when Obama said his hands off his campaigning wife. You attack McCain’s wife who hasn’t offered her views at all, unlike the obnoxious Michelle. What’s up with that, Katie? Start writing obits, you might do a better job at that than political commentary.
When it comes to “Raising Arizona,” I choose Michelle. Sure, ‘Little A’ might well be exposed to some cockamamie ideas, but he won’t become a drug-addled neurotic - steeped in the dysfunction of emotionally absent parents.
This is such a pitiful smear that you should feel mortified to have your name above it. Shame.
The odious Michelle Obama is John Mcain’s secret weapon.
Once the American electorate focuses on her non stop accusitory whining and the “I smell s**t” scowl on her face that will be that.
Also, just wait till the dregs of the earth such as P. Diddy, Spike Lee and other reprobates like Russel Simmons start accusing average Americans of being racist if they dont vote for Obama.
In addition, when the American electorate realizes that 99% of blacks are voting for Obama. that will send the signal that it perfectly fine to vote for someone based on their skin color.
Americans dont want a president elected based on the color of his skin……white or black.
The racist elements pushing for Obama to be elected will be rejected.
No…….Michelle Obama WONT be lighting the Kwanzaa candles in the East Wing.
Al Sharpton and Jeremiah Wright wont be sitting on the couch in the Family Quarters.
Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dhorn wont be asked to stand for an ovation at the State of the Union.
Much of the thanks will go to the disgusting behavior and comments of Michelle Obama.
Few will warm to the thought of having an angry horror such as her peering out at them from their TV sets for 8 yrs.
PS:….In her speeches she often refers to “they”…as in “They said it couldnt be done”, “They said you cant do that “.
Maybe someone can ask her who the hell is “They”?
I think most of us KNOW the answer to that question. Thats another reason why you wont a racist first lady in the White House anytime soon.
I don’t fear Michelle Obama because she is a smart, attractive, ambitious woman. I hate her because she is a smart, attractive, ambitious black woman.
Or is that what you meant to accuse me of?
How about this: I don’t admire MO because, “For the first time in my adult lifetime I’m really proud of my country,” and “America is a mean country.” And, oh, exposing your children to Rev. Wrong every Sunday. And, oh, even when she smiles she looks like she’s carrying a huge chip on her shoulder. On the campaign trail she has displayed no redeeming quality except for her ability to speak well to a crowd. Oh, good, we’ll have two well-spoken, hollow occupants of the White House.
I like Michelle. I like her sassy attitude & brains, even if I don’t like all of her attitudes. She draws on her own life experience for her attitudes. She is smart & she can adapt.
She could be a hell of a role model for a lot of people.
Cindy Mc Cain leaves me cold. Have you listened to her?
She is as out of touch with average America as Michelle may be with average White America.
Cindy Mc Cain grew up with her own form of “affirmative action” and lack of a need to achieve on her own, due to being born into a very wealthy family.
So, we could say that each woman was born into a circumstance that allowed her to “get ahead.”
I would say that Michelle had to do a hell of a lot more to make her circumstances “work” for her. How many little black girls from the South side of Chicago, who started out in a one bedroom apartment, using the sitting room as her bedroom, ended up a Harvard educated attorney?
She is undoubtedly right that she was not welcome or accepted at university. She persevered, anyway.
I would much rather have Michelle as a role model for my kids than Cindy Mc Cain.
I don’t have to say that Cindy is a bad person to not be particularly impressed by her…
But, we are talking about a position that “could” make a difference in people’s lives. I think Michelle is up for that.
Cindy might even be a very nice lady, but she does not come across as inspiring in any way.
Thinking Michelle “runs” Obama is just silly. Thinking she hates America is, too. Recycling advice? Oh, phuleeze.
SS
The Despicable Ms. Katie Allison Granju:
All you need to know about the type of vermin supporting Ms. Obama is right there above this post.
The vileness of Ms. Granju’s post says more about her and her lack of basic common decency than anything i could add.
The moral sickness of Ms. Granju is emplematic of the type of attacks one may expect more of in the coming months.
Cindy McCain surely has had issues. She is also brave enough to face them head on. They are issues that have a solution, difficult though they may be.
You Ms. Granju dont have that luxury. Your sickness in in your soul.
Lack of morality and basic human kindness is incurable.
You will go your your grave being the same person you are today.
A disgusting moral wretch.
She didn’t “steal narcotics”. She got prescriptions signed by some of the doctors she was working with.
Note that this was after surgery, and getting addicted to prescription pain killers after surgery is a pretty common story.
It is easy to recognize a post that is written by a propagandist. Pretend to be bringing up a real issue then use clever writing to get your digs in. People don’t like Michelle because she is a hard working woman? What about her real negatives? The original post is a propaganda piece that might as well have been written by a phantom Obama supporter which gives you one reason not to vote for Obama…they aren’t real. And they say the Republicans will play dirty.
If nothing else can convince you that the Obama campaign’s internal polling about Michelle is abysmal, then that pathetic “Why Barak Loves Michelle” cover story they talked some magazine into running should spell it out pretty clearly. I pointed it out to my kids in line at the grocery store as a perfect example of Propaganda for Dummies.
Michelle O comes across as negative about everything, not just America. Her facial expressions, her focus in her speeches, her body language just scream, “I am a chronically unhappy person.” We all know women who put down their husbands in public and they are not generally happily married (and you sometimes wonder if they ever could be). The fact that she couldn’t stop herself from doing just that, even though her husband is actively seeking the most important position of his life, is reflective of her underlying persona. Little though we know if Cindy McCain, she certainly seems supportive of her husband and positive in general.
Hey, Joe Smith!
“All you need to know about the type of vermin supporting Ms. Obama is right there above this post.”
What exactly do you “think” you know about ME, “vermin” that I am? You sure do not bother to point it out, because you know exactly NOTHING.
I happen to like John Mc Cain for president more than Obama for president.
I am not wild about John Mc Cain, I liked him better before he decided to cozy up to special interests to get elected.
It is sad that these two are all we have to choose from!
But, as a woman looking at two other women for a public role representing the USA, which was the topic of the post, I do perceive Michelle Obama as having strengths that an appeal that Cindy Mc Cain does not.
Is she perfect? Of course not.
Is she interesting? Yes.
Is she smart? Absolutely.
As an Independent voter, I am able to just look for myself to figure out who I like.. and, why.
Not impressed by much of it this year, but I never am.
People who are capable of getting all riled up and excited about some of our so-called leaders make me shake my head.. Yeah, you know all you need to know about me.
I vote just so I have a right to send letters with my complaints & suggestions to my representatives.
But. I would not mind Michelle as First Lady.
Maybe, you just see what you want & need to see, the way you automatically label me, with no knowledge at all.
Ms. Granju, judging by this piece, is a slimy piece of work.
Believe me………..whatever sewer Ms. Granju climbed out of to deliver her missive has plenty of other rats in there as well.
It is important to not let her type of poison go unanswered.
I urge others to fight back.
Ms. Granju is obviously quite stupid.
There are other morally bankrupt people however who are quite astute at posting such trash as we see here today.
Dont let them get away with it.
To be honest, Hilary has nothing to do with why I dislike Michelle. She’s done that all on her own. Whenever I see Michelle speaking, I see someone who speaks to all the little people out there. Speaks down to them that is…
“You might do the math and notice they were married no less than 2 years when McCain went to Vietnam. ”
Correction — I did the math and added a typo. This should read:
“…they were married less than 2 years when McCain went to Vietnam.”
Oh, and here’s some more about the rich white lady that seems to evoke so much classism (they deserve it though, cause they’re RICH, ya know) from at least one newspaper writer….
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=294534769646624
Cheers.
s sommer “She is undoubtedly right that she was not welcome or accepted at university. She persevered, anyway.”
You mean the same university which lowered its admission standards so she could attend? That university didn’t want her there? WTF are you talking about?
Katie,
You’re not despicable, IMO. I think you’re great, in fact. All the time. Even when I think what you’re saying is wrong.
Which this post is. It’s way beneath you. Waaay. Not that it matters, but I’m really disappointed that you wrote it.
It won’t help to convert anyone to the Obama cause. So it’s a failure on a pragmatic level.
Worse, it’s personally mean, it’s totally irrelevant, or should be, and it’s also more of the old politics-of-division-for-no-good-reason bullsh*t that the Obama campaign, of all things, was supposed to be beyond. You’re just adding sh*t to the blender here, and takin’ off the lid.
Stay above this kind of thing Katie. You shouldn’t do this.